Welcome to Episode 2 of Season 6 of The PCOS Revolution Podcast:
How To Use CBD Oil to Help Overcome Hormonal Imbalances With Dr. Cade Copeland
CBD, or cannibidiol, has a number of medical and therapeutic properties. Nowadays, it has been widely used to address anxiety as well as chronic pain, poor sleep, depression, ADHD, and more. For today’s guest, CBD has been useful for patients who have PCOS and he tells us just how to know if it will work for you.
This week on PCOS Revolution Podcast, I am joined by Dr. Cade Copeland, a Chiropractor and Functional practitioner in Naples, FL for the last 10 years. He graduated from NWHSU in 2009 and has dedicated his life to working with families to address health issues through a multidisciplinary approach. Instead of focusing on what is wrong, Dr. Cade’s philosophy is to build upon what is right.
In this episode, we speak about CBD, its uses, benefits, recommended dosages and its difference with THC. Before we dive deep into the conversation, we would like to remind everyone that CBD isn’t the cure. Manage your expectations and most importantly, do your research.
Farrar Duro 0:01
Hello and welcome back to the PCOS Revolution podcast. I’m here today with Dr. Cade Copeland. He’s a chiropractor and a functional medicine practitioner from Naples, Florida and he’s been practicing for over 10 years and graduated from NWHSU in 2009. He’s dedicated his life to working with families and women to address health issues through a multidisciplinary approach to wellness. Instead of focusing on what’s wrong, Dr. Cates philosophy is to build upon what’s right. Welcome to the podcast, Dr. Cade.
Dr. Cade Copeland 0:33
Thank you, Doctor, I appreciate you having me.
Farrar Duro 0:35
Thank you. And I’m really excited about this episode today because it just happened to be that I was reading into some research I was doing about CBD oil online for PCOS and some new research has come out recently, and I actually came across your website and you’re not that far from our clinic as well. So I’d really love to hear some of your answers that we have today to some questions about how CBD can help with balancing hormones and help with anxiety and weight loss and all kinds of things. So, glad to have you here. Now, can we just start by asking you a question about how you got into using CBD in your practice?
Dr. Cade Copeland 1:20
Well, thanks again for having me. I’m excited about this, too, is such a big topic to talk about. And I know that we’re going to be all over the map here today. But I’ve been using CBD for maybe three years now, in practice. And the way it came about was I always try to get as many tools as I can to help our patients. And whether that’s exercise, whether that’s detox, chiropractic, massage, the list really just continues to grow. And it’s nice to have a diverse toolbox, I think because there isn’t necessarily one thing that works for everybody. And that is a perfect segue into CBD, the dosing the frequency doesn’t work for everybody, you’ve got to be flexible. And we had a couple patients bring it to my attention. And I initially brushed it off. And I don’t know if that’s what you did Dr. Duro, but I initially brushed it off. And I thought that it was kind of too good to be true. And what I had previously known about the plant didn’t make sense that there’d be any healthful benefits. But it was, I think, the third patient that brought it to my attention. And I went to my favorite website, which is greenmedinfo.com, run by Sergey, which has literally I think right now the count is up to 680, peer reviewed medical research articles about cannabis, hemp and the collective whole. And I was blown away. And everything changed from there. And it’s been on my list and my recommendation for everybody’s medicine cabinet ever since.
Farrar Duro 2:40
Very nice. And can you tell us a few of the ways you use it now in your practice?
Dr. Cade Copeland 2:43
I think that’s a great question. I think we’re all as practitioners limited by our creativity. And we’ve used it for pregnant mommies, we’ve used it for diaper creams for babies, we use it as part of our concussion protocol. We’ve used it for PCOS, which we’re going to talk about. My wife, which there is a picture of her sitting right behind me with our oldest, was diagnosed with Crohn’s disease after the birth of our oldest who just turned six this past week. And we use it as an integral part of bringing her gut inflammation and gut pain down. Anxiety, depression, the list is endless.
Farrar Duro 3:17
Yeah, definitely. It’s a natural anti-inflammatory. And I have read the research about using it after concussion and how it can actually protect the brain and has some neuroprotective benefits. So important, and so you mentioned pregnancy, because that’s been one of those things, we do treat a lot of pregnant women. And there is a debate about whether or not it’s safe during pregnancy and breastfeeding. So what is your take on that?
Dr. Cade Copeland 3:43
It’s such a hard topic here too. So at the end of the day, all I can give is my professional opinion. And because there is a huge lack of research out there for obvious reasons, because that is such a protected and important population. I can just give my professional opinion in at the end of the day. This is a plant. That is we got to remember that we need to treat this different than a medication and different than a synthetic drug. Every single person on this planet is hardwired to have this endocannabinoid system inside that interacts with this planet, whether it’s THC, whether it’s CBD, or so many of the other hundreds of cannabinoids within the plant. And when we look at the safety, you know, we’ve been using it again for all of recorded human history. So cannabinoids, our body makes them, they’re found in breast milk. They’re found in every system in the body. So as far as a safety record, I think there isn’t too many things there as safe as that. But if we’re just putting a tunnel vision on as far as peer reviewed medical research, I don’t think we’re going to get too far with that yet.
Farrar Duro 4:42
Right? It’s hard to do clinical trials on pregnant women as we know and and as far as the you mentioned the endocannabinoid system. What is that, exactly? Can you explain that?
Dr. Cade Copeland 4:55
We’re starting right at the beginning, I love it. So every person on this planet no matter what their age, no matter their health, you know how healthy or how sick they are, we all have receptors for the plant. And we also actually make cannabiniods internally, which is the same compound within our body. And those are called endo-cannabinoids. And then of course from a plant like hemp, or cannabis, black truffle, maca, all of those things have compounds called phyto-cannabinoids. And those two compounds whether we get them from food, or we make them inside our body, react with these receptors, collectively called the endocannabinoid system. And those receptors are found in every other system in the body from the neurological, the muscular the cardiovascular, the skeletal system, digestive system. And what we found is as a whole, what those receptors and those compounds actually do is help our body actually adapt to stress and find balance in homeostasis. So if we’re too high, and we have an overreaction, if we’re too low and have an under reaction, it helps the body again, find that balance, find that homeostasis.
Farrar Duro 6:00
Interesting so it’s our bodies own adaptogen?
Dr. Cade Copeland 6:03
I mean, at the end of the day, it’s the ultimate adaptogen.
Farrar Duro 6:08
And how come we haven’t heard much about this system before now?
Dr. Cade Copeland 6:13
Doc, that’s a loaded question. That’s such a hard one to answer. I think we’re in the past couple years, of course, it is becoming almost something that you can’t not hear about. Right? It’s everywhere. But back in 1937. Actually, let me rewind that for a second. One of my favorite ways to answer that question is by recommending people watch the documentary called The Sacred Planet. And that’s a free documentary that’s out there, it’s a docuseries. So I think there’s six or seven or eight episodes. And the first episode is actually dedicated to us how we’ve used this plant culturally, in it’s actually for thousands of years. But that changed in 1937, with the introduction of the Marijuana Tax Act. And again, it was in almost every physicians repertoire of tools and medicines to help people get well even medical doctors, but in 1937, that changed and that got stripped out of again for medicine. And that’s when it got scheduled as a schedule one, and it was out of circulation. So since then our bodies have actually really struggled there’s a greater toll on our endocannabinoid system to make more of our own because we’re not getting the plant-based sources ourselves.
Farrar Duro 7:21
Interesting. And and I know that in Chinese medicine, the plant has been used for thousands of years. And in fact, in our herbal pharmacy, we had the something called Ma zi ren, which is the sterilized seeds from the hemp plant and we had them in a big jar, and our herbal pharmacy and sometimes people to walk and go, what is that? They’d smell the moxa burning, and they’re like, What are you guys doing here? We use it for constipation, we use it for so many things. And when I was over there, the plants are just growing wild everywhere. And it’s just part of the pharmacopoeia, but but definitely the laws are changing across the country. And I feel like this system should be taught more in medical school, too. I don’t think I ever heard about it in pre med or biology or any of that. So maybe things are changing. And we’re recognizing there’s different benefits to looking at this and definitely within reproductive medicine. They sometimes will take research from THC, which is not the same as CBD. Could you explain the difference with that?
Dr. Cade Copeland 8:21
Well, before I do, I think what you just said was it was a great point. And I love bringing that up with every doctor that we talked to you about the subject is this is something that we didn’t learn in medical school, whether it’s chiropractic school or medicine, school pharmacology, I mean, it’s not in taught in colleges. And that’s an interesting, interesting thought, especially when some of the research is showing us that this Endocannabinoid receptors, the density, even just within the brain, the receptors are more dense than what we have for dopamine or serotonin, and neurotransmitters or something that’s taught at such a basic level. Why is this missing from literature? It’s, it’s such a big topic.
So I’m hopeful that that will change and obviously as the research continues to show the positive impact that this plant can have, so you were talking about the difference between THC and CBD, right? Yes. Alright, so THC is the fun one. That’s the one that is responsible for the psychoactive components the high and THC binds typically, it binds with both CB one and CBD receptors, which are the two famous receptors within the endocannabinoid system. And what happens when THC binds it CB one, it also binds at the same spot that our endocannabinoid anandamide binds with and anandamide is named for bliss. That’s the one that our body actually makes. It gives us that blissful feeling and hopefully every listener that’s here has a chance to experience that bliss because it is an amazing feeling when our body actually feels that right. But THC is responsible for that heightened high, why it’s there and why it we’re high is because the enzyme that actually breaks down anandamide, it doesn’t break down THC as quickly. And so that’s why that long you know feeling again of high happens when we introduce THC. Now on the flip side, CBD these are the two most common ones that are talked about of the cannabinoids that are found in the hemp and the cannabis plant. CBD does not give you a high. CBD does not bind to either one of those receptors, but it does interact with those receptors. And we’ll still learning how it how it does. CB one I’m sorry, CBD actually helps our body produce more anandamide naturally. And it also actually slows the breakdown of anandamide so that also does give us some of that blissful feeling. But nowhere near as much as again what that psychoactive component THC does.
Farrar Duro 10:43
Okay, that’s great because I’m reading about, you know, we do ask our patients if they’re taking medicinal marijuana or any substances when they’re trying to conceive because there is some research about THC blocking the release of LH what’s really you know, is responsible for ovulation but the studies really mentioned more THC than CBD. So I always have that question. We don’t even recommend taking Tylenol sometimes when you’re trying to conceive in that week of ovulation because it could end up you know, having some detrimental effects, but definitely THC has been shown to do that. So as far as how they’re different. That’s where I’m bringing you on a lot of questions. I know because I have these questions when I read this. And it’s important to know the distinction, because I think that the research from THC is not similar. It’s not going to be exactly the same as CBD.
Dr. Cade Copeland 11:38
I think, to be honest with you, I have so many of these questions too. And we’re and I think sometimes it’s okay to say we’re still learning, right. And I want to proudly make sure that I’m saying that here too. A lot of the research out there will use an isolate of CBD, or an isolate of THC, where we don’t really find that in nature. And, you know, of course, when we’re seeing some things with THC being bad for kids and developmental things. Again, that’s usually using THC as an isolate away from the rest of the plant. And what we find is that Mother Nature knows best that there is a balance in a ratio between different breeds of THC and CBD. And what’s wild is when we completely strip out THC, CBD is so great. But when we add in a little bit of THC, now, nobody knows that the exact amount when we start talking about this, right? THC actually heightens the medical benefit of CBD. So we don’t want just a strict isolate of CBD, even though it’s so good. It’s better when we add in a little bit of that THC like what is found in Mother Nature. And getting back to that initial question of how THC has, you know, some research can show that it will influence LH, we don’t know, maybe I guess I haven’t read that study. Does it talk about exactly how much and for the you know, maybe it’s based upon weight it or maybe it’s based upon age? I would love to know some of those specifics, but I feel like we’re still going learning a lot of those things, correct?
Farrar Duro 13:01
Definitely. Yeah, because it’s a double-edged sword where, you know, sometimes it is beneficial. So that’s even the study said, we’re not really clear on a lot of these things yet. We’re just beginning. So and I think I can see this on down the road developing, you know, more specific targeted drugs or formulas that are going to be using these aspects of helping certain with things. So, I think there’s definitely a lot of research out there. And because getting back to reproductive issues, I think that with with PCOS, there’s also the issue of weight. And that same article actually was saying that CBD can help utilize the brown fat more, I guess. So there’s some sort of help with weight and that issue, but THC actually can backfire and cause weight gain. So there it is, again, so I think, if you can maybe elaborate and how, if you know of any benefit to CBD for weight loss and how you’ve used that.
Dr. Cade Copeland 14:03
So I another great question. So much of the things that I typically talk about with CBD include inflammation as an antioxidant, right? Neuro-regeneration and neuro-protection, I love all of those things. And, of course, it’s got its pain based analgesic benefits there. But there is a lot of research. And I’m going to just encourage everybody to go out to that website, greenmedinfo.com, to look through some of that research that’s out there and some of the topics, but there is some research showing how it for insulin and for diabetes, amazing, amazing research coming out about that, and helping to reduce receptor burnout and increase receptor sensitivity. And of course, when we use hemp seed oil, we’re not talking about the extract of CBD from the aerial parts, like the flowers, but the actual seeds. Now the seed, there’s a lot of research talking about the benefits of just a good fat structure that’s in there and doing the same thing, improving the receptor sensitivity for patients that are dealing with insulin resistance.
Farrar Duro 15:07
Very neat. So if you’re searching for hemp oil versus CBD oil, what’s the difference there? It can be confusing. A lot of people will walk in they’re like I don’t even know what I’m looking for. There’s a vape shop down the street that says they have CBD and then there’s you know, what about quality control and all of this sort of thing.
Dr. Cade Copeland 15:26
Oh, it’s so tough and this is actually why we created Root Apothecary, the company that I own is because there is so much frustration. There is so much shady dealings for lack of a better word in this industry right now. And so maybe we can go through step by step and try to give you know if you are in the market to look for products. Here’s the gold standard and here’s the things to shy away from. So a couple definitions: first- hemp oil doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re actually getting cannabinoids so hemp oil typically means that it’s hemp seed oil. And that is if you’ve ever had hemp seeds from you know, local grocery store or again we’re seeing the hemp seeds, they’re usually the shelled hemp seeds and those can be sprinkled on granola. Those have amazing healthful benefits because of the good fats that’s in those. But when we talk about hemp oil, the hemp oil is typically extracted from the pressed seeds. And in our tinctures we use hemp oil as the carrier oil. When we go a step further hemp extract is usually what we’re talking about with the CBD. All right, and that means that we’ve extracted the cannabinoids from the aerial parts of the plant. And I maybe I should clarify that that’s how we do that at our company. The aerial parts of the plant, the flower and the leaves, those have the highest concentrations of CBD. The again the beneficial parts of the plant.
There is industrial CBD, which means that we’re using all of the plant and mushing it, crunching it all together to create an extract. So that includes the stalks, the stems, the seeds, everything. So aerial parts is what we’re looking for. And again, that would mean that we call that a hemp extract. So little bit more, there’s two more things to talk about with the hemp extract, there’s something called a full spectrum. And then there’s something called an isolate. And a full spectrum means that we are using as much of that of the hemp extract as we can. And that includes all of the cannabinoids, the ones that we talked about so far are CBD and THC. But there’s CPG, there’s CBN, there’s about 113 I think as of right now different cannabinoids, and we’re still researching. And we’re still learning about the healthful benefits that those have. And when we use a full spectrum, we’re getting all of those things. We’re also getting flavonoids, we’re getting antioxidants, we’re getting terpenes, we could also call that essential oils. That’s what would give the plant the color and the aroma and the flavor. And lastly, we have the isolate. So it’s taking, again, the isolate is different than full spectrum, where we’re taking just what we want from that plant, we’re getting rid of everything else, and we’re just taking CBD out. So there’s no THC in there, there’s no flavonoids, there’s no essential oil or terpenes in there. There’s nothing else, just the CBD. Now, we were talking about drug testing, which I’m sure we’re going to jump into. And that would probably be great for an isolate. But we’re also losing all of the other medical benefits that’s included in Mother Nature from that plan.
Farrar Duro 18:29
Okay, so somebody would do an isolate, aside from the drug testing aspect of it…what would be the reason that they would seek the isolate?
Dr. Cade Copeland 18:38
Hmm, because it’s cheap. It’s very, very cheap. So when you’re seeing prices that are sometimes too good to be true on CBD out there a lot of times it’s because it’s an isolate and an isolate is cheaper to store, it’s got a longer shelf life. Now the part that doesn’t quite make sense to me is there’s extra manufacturing and processing to get an isolate. So at the end of the day, I don’t know why it’s cheaper, other than it has, you know, as a bigger shelf life, it’s lighter, it’s easier to send out, it’s easier to mix into things. But at the end of the day, the gold standard, what we’re looking for is making sure that it’s a full spectrum. And our body responds and our receptors are best with a full spectrum.
Farrar Duro 19:15
Very neat. So you have your own farm, then and you developed your own products for your patients. And then for everyone out there that’s looking for a very high quality, good quality control product. So just tell us a little bit about what you developed.
Dr. Cade Copeland 19:32
So I’m as you’re saying that I’ve got a big smile on my face over here and to better answer that question. My fingernails do not have any dirt underneath them. I wish I could say that I was a farmer, but I’m a practitioner in Naples, Florida. We work with some very hardworking and honest farmers out in Colorado. So our product in we’ve got a contract directly with them. Our product is grown here in the United States, it’s organically grown. And we third party test everything that we have from our tinctures to our topicals to our essential oil blends, which I’m sure we’re going to talk about here in a second too. And what we are really, really trying to do is make sure that we are setting the bar very high for the gold standard. In everything is organic, everything’s full spectrum. There is not any fragrances, there’s not any preservatives, there’s not any colorings, anything synthetic in any of our blends, and we’re very transparent. We’re sharing everything that we can with everybody that’s looking into it.
Farrar Duro 20:31
Right, so is there a governing body for the industry, likely not the FDA? They don’t regulate supplements, I guess. But what is the regulating body? Or is there regulation with CBD oil?
Dr. Cade Copeland 20:46
It’s the Wild West. Really, really good question. And that’s why there are so many companies out there going after the gold rush and just getting something out there. That’s confusing to people to make the quick buck. And that’s why when you go into Amazon and you see hemp oil, and you see for $19 or 10. Whatever the price is, it’s too good to be true because it actually is too good to be true. You know, there’s fillers and there’s hemp oil, there isn’t cannabinoids in there, it’s not third party tested. So at the end of the day, you really don’t know what you’re looking for. There was a report I believe it was from I can’t remember if it is from the CDC, or if it was from the FDA. But it did say that 70% at least 70% of the hemp, you know, products that are on the market do not have what they say in there, whether that’s cannabinoids, whether it’s the amount of cannabinoids, whether it’s whatever else is on the ingredients, 70% are not what they say.
Farrar Duro 21:36
Well, that’s, that’s quite scary. Definitely. And is there something on the label that will say, you know, like herbs are GMP certified and that sort of thing. So is there anything on the label that can give you a clue as to whether it’s a good product or not, if you’re shopping for CBD oil.
Dr. Cade Copeland 21:55
I think that’s a really good question, again, the gold standard, we’re going to want to make sure that it’s organically grown. And we’re going to want to make sure that it’s a product in the United States, we’re going to want to make sure that it’s full spectrum, those are the three big ones, if anybody’s looking to experiment with this, those are three big ones that we’re going to want to look for. And just like with food, you know, whether it’s a bag of chips, or bread or a salad dressing, we always want to make sure that we’re reading ingredients. And so just like we do that with food, we’re going to want to do that with if you are going to experiment with CBD products, whether it’s a tincture or topical, look through those ingredients and make sure there isn’t anything fishy in there. And sometimes that takes a little bit of patience. And if you don’t know what’s in there sometimes it’s better to just stay away and find a cleaner one, sometimes you can go to the website, EWG with a skin deep database, and you can type in what those ingredients are, and get a little bit more research on it. But there is really just again, there’s so many companies out there that are not doing things in a healthful way.
Farrar Duro 22:53
And I noticed some of the websites, the companies will actually put their batch results right on there too. So that that’s something that would be helpful, I would think if they’re able to disclose that.
Dr. Cade Copeland 23:06
Thank you for bringing that up, and I think I missed that one. Yeah, make sure that the company is third party testing, independent testing every single batch. And that is definitely something that we do with Rooted Apothecary that was very, very important. I mean, if we’re recommending it to our patients, if we’re having our family and our friends use it, that’s a lot of weight on our shoulders to make sure that we are doing things the right way. And those results should be accurate. They should be up to date. So when you’re clicking through the website, you’re going to be able to see what that batch is and there should either be a barcode or on the box there should be a link to the most up to date that you can match with your bottle.
Farrar Duro 23:46
Okay, that’s helpful. Yes. So there’s so many questions about this, because the question we get a lot is, how much should I take of this stuff? And I don’t even know because people bring in other products that they purchase on Amazon and that sort of thing. And I’m like, I can’t really tell you that because I don’t even know if it’s real. What you’re taking, first of all, and I don’t know how concentrated is and the bottle might tell you a dropperful but I mean, how do we know the milligrams and all that? So I guess that’s another tricky area where it’s not an exact science. And what sort of dosing recommendations would you recommend for someone who’s just getting started when really researching and trying to take a CBD oil blend?
Dr. Cade Copeland 24:32
Super great questions, Doc. I love it. You’re really teeing this up today, which is a lot of fun. So I should clarify, first and foremost by starting to say that what we firmly stand for at Root Apothecary is that CBD is not the cure, CBD is not the answer. So manage your expectations going in, whether it’s somebody with fertility issues, or hormonal imbalances, or gut problems, or whatever you fill in the blank, even if you’re healthy, manage your expectations going in it is a part of a healthy lifestyle. If we are taking CBD and then running through the drive through at McDonald’s then what difference are we really going to make at the end of the day? It’s a part of the toolbox. So when we jump into dosing, we just actually posted up a really good talk with another doctor that’s on our Medical Advisory Board. And so that should be posted up on our website, which is rootedapoth.com, and I’m going to summarize that here in a second. But we also have a really nice infographic that talks about it, contrasts our body weight, and it contrasts the severity of the symptom. So if a woman who’s 110 pounds struggling with anxiety, that’s going to be a very different dose than a man who’s 250 pounds with low back pain, and who’s in 10 out of 10 pain. So, there’s a really nice infographic that people can check out at our website that kind of walks you through on where to start. So before I go any further and ramble on, I think there’s two different philosophies on dosed with this plant. Number one, there’s something called low and slow. And I think this is probably the best way to do it just because of some unanswered questions that I have. And low and slow means starting somewhere between five to 10 milligrams a day of CBD and seeing how your body responds and reacts. And for most of us, we’ve never had a cannabis or a hemp product into our body, that means that our receptors are probably pretty slow. Our endocannabinoid system is probably pretty deficient, you should get a good jumpstart from five to 10 milligrams, and if you don’t, over the next couple days or a week, you can slowly adding some more, listen to your body, for better for worse, and you can modify your dosing from there. And again, I think for people with autoimmune, or food sensitivities, or just anything else, I think that’s the best place to start.
Farrar Duro 26:50
That’s good advice. And you would continue that, or it’s my understanding, there’s a plateau, that a lot of times is reached when someone is on a particular dose for an extended amount of time? And they need to either just take a break, or they increase or have you seen that in your practice?
Dr. Cade Copeland 27:08
Doc, again, great questions, because all of these things are so individual to people, right? And so there’s so much that we can talk about. I’m going to answer the opposite side of this, the opposite side of low and slow, of course, is giving yourself what we call a load dose, or trying to really give your body as much as you can, in a short period of time to give your body that jumpstart. I think, for somebody with chronic back pain, or somebody who’s in a really severe state, we start them at somewhere between like 30 to 50, or 75 milligrams. And what we’ll do is dose up very high for one to three weeks until we get them to a good spot. And then we start coming down. No matter where you start, if it’s low and slow, or if you’re using a load dose, at the end of the day, just like with every other supplement, it’s really to not be dependent on CBD. It’s to try to take as little as you can, and still maintain the health goals that you’re after. And on the high end there’s been studies saying people have tested or safely taken 1500 milligrams a day. I know, I saw your eyebrows go up. That’s pretty wild, isn’t it? Not only that for the amount, but holy cow on the checkbook, that’s got to be pretty crazy. So again, it’s encouraging to know that at the end of the day, this is just a concentrated form of food. And our body is going to be able to use and take what it wants and get rid of what it doesn’t. But the questions doc that I have are, well, if we’re taking that much from an external source, what’s happening to our endocannabinoid system? Are our own receptors, are those burning out, are we creating less of our own endocannabinoids? What is the long term outcome of that? And we don’t know those things.
Farrar Duro 28:51
Okay, so it’s really a bridge, I mean, you could definitely use this, incorporate this with treatments that you’re getting from your practitioners, healthy eating, exercising, all those things, and just kind of incorporating that. It’s the smallest therapeutic dose, I guess, is what you’re saying? Just because there’s still ongoing research and I think that’s true for a lot of people that can they can feel the kind of sleepy or a little bit I would think if they’re taking too much. I think my mother actually bought gummies one day from somewhere, and she called me up and said, “What is this? I slept for 11 hours!”, you know?
Dr. Cade Copeland 29:32
That’s a good point. And you know, at the end of the day, we don’t know exactly what happened there. But what’s so cool about CBD is it helps get your body out of that stressful fight or flight state. And it does promote the parasympathetic aspects of all of our nervous system. And we can actually get back into that resting, digesting and healing state. And so I mean, I’m sure she was probably deficient on sleep and probably pretty stressed out for a period of time, probably some, you know, adrenal issues.
Farrar Duro 29:56
Yes, you definitely described her.
Dr. Cade Copeland 29:58
Oh, my gosh, I mean, how amazing is that to go and get 11 hours of sleep and shut that brain off from racing thoughts, and slow the heart rate down. And, I mean, imagine what happened inside that we’re not able to actually document unless we’ve got a heart rate variability test, that’s one of my favorite things for situations like this, but CBD can really help unlock the body’s you know, get out of that fight or flight state.
Farrar Duro 30:20
Okay, now that you brought that up. How do you use that with CBD as far as the heart rate variability?
Dr. Cade Copeland 30:28
So right behind me, I’ve got a heart rate variability test, I am really encouraging patients to actually have one of them themselves. But one of my favorite units out there right now is the Aura Ring. It’s a ring that you can wear. And you can actually live test your heart rate variability, and see if your body’s in that stressful state, or if you’re actually able to access that resting, digesting and healing. And I think it’s so smart to track because we’re living, breathing human beings. And when we’re driving down the road, and there’s a stressful traffic situation, our body accesses that stressful state, that’s normal. But on the flip side of that, we should be able to come down and come out of that and get out of the stressful state. And many of us simply can’t these days, we just get stuck in that stressful state and long term, from adrenal issues that thyroid to hormonal to brain health to sleep, all of those things are impacted. And what’s nice when we have that, whether it’s an Aura Ring, or whatever else, when we track the heart rate variability, as we add in CBD, or we change our nutrition, or we add in some different exercise routine. We can track our system live, what’s working, what isn’t working, so that we can narrow in our own personal health care routine.
Farrar Duro 31:43
So you can actually see it in real time? Okay, so I’m thinking this would be kind of neat during an acupuncture treatment, to see if they’re actually going into that rest and digest mode because sometimes it takes a few treatments, we’ve seen that with certain patients, they just can’t see ease into it. And so you’re saying CBD could also help with somebody whose mind is just in what we call the hamster wheel brain? It can’t slow down and that sort of thing, that this would actually help them achieve that?
Dr. Cade Copeland 32:12
Got a crash that chatterbox! The chatterbox is just, it’s unreal, sometimes how powerful that can be. But, and again for some people, it’s a dose of CBD. For some people, it’s an acupuncture session. For some people it’s way, way, way more than that. There’s, you know, their whole biography, the story of their life of our life brings us to this point, our relationships, our work, our food habits, all of these things bring us to this point. So it’s important to have realistic expectations as we add or change things. And I think the best thing to track it is with that heart rate rate variability. Now, some of my concerns are it’s a ring, you know, and I think the battery lasts a week. So it’s, that’s pretty awesome. But, you know, there is some wireless signals, which of course, can offset some of the good that we’re doing. So, take everything with a grain of salt, we always recommend that people look into it. But that is my current favorite tool to measure the actual healthful impact that we’re using, as we get creative in treatment options.
Farrar Duro 33:08
Very neat, and we’ll definitely link that. I will list these links in our show notes. And will the Apple Watch also work similarly?
Dr. Cade Copeland 33:18
I think that’s a good question. And I should probably…I’m not an Apple guy, which I say that hesitantly because I know I get in trouble sometimes for saying that. But I don’t think it’s as accurate as the the Aura is specifically for heart rate variability. I know that the Apple Watch is very accurate with heart rate. But I do think you have to have some other software and some algorithms to actually take the heart rate, measure the variability and put it into something that is accurate to read.
Farrar Duro 33:46
Okay, interesting. So I know that we have talked about so many things, and everybody probably even has even more questions for you. But one thing I wanted to mention before we left is, I was looking actually at an article saying that a grandmother was stopped at an airport because she had CBD oil from coming back from Disney, and they arrested her, so we want to also emphasize that it is legal right in all 50 states but it’s not legal to fly with apparently or if you do get some CBD you have to make sure that you’re not flying with it? Is that right at this point?
Dr. Cade Copeland 34:26
Alright, so I’m going to answer this the best way that I can. I’m confused too. I’m very confused right now too. That Disney article kind of shook me up. And I’m pretty upset about it. Because I think that’s a pretty rough way to spend resources to go after Grandma, who I believe was with her two grandchildren. And I think there’s going to be some more coming out of that story on exactly what was happening. But again, CBD from my understanding, CBD itself is legal. THC is not legal. And we have to make sure that THC if it is in the product, which it is in all of ours, below point 3%. And I don’t know the exact specifics of the field tests. But I don’t know if the field test can measure, and I think it’s an all or nothing with THC that if there is even if it’s below point 3% THC that that does test hot, which means that it’s illegal in a field test with an officer. I need to know some more specifics on that. But I am very confused right now too even though the the farm bill was signed by President Trump and it has declassified hemp and which CBD is derived from hemp, not cannabis, which is higher in THC. For that to be legal in all 50 states…it’s very interesting.
Farrar Duro 35:51
It really is. Yeah, so I just tell my patients, please don’t fly with this. You can have this but just in case I don’t want you to get arrested!
Dr. Cade Copeland 35:59
We’ve had people fly with it and have no problems. I was just in Tahoe and I flew with it and there was no issues and we’ve had lots of patients fly with it and ours says hemp extract right in the front cover, making sure that whoever is looking at it knows that the hemp extract means that it’s a full spectrum. Full spectrum CBD doesn’t make sense, you know, CBD is just a component. Got to be full, a hemp extract. In our patients, I have not heard a single horror story from within our office or any of our partners. But why? If they were going to go after somebody, why not go after my office, which has thousands of dollars of CBD right up front? Or the you know, the health food store down the road? Why single out this grandmother? I’m very confused.
Farrar Duro 36:38
Yes, I think it was lack of education, it looked like and what is it? I don’t know, there’s so many questions there. But I would definitely, I guess until things become more concrete, be careful flying definitely. And so you know, as far as getting back to anxiety and the benefits with CBD, for someone who has anxiety, I’m asking you specifically because we have someone who is 12 years old, and with PCOS, who has tremendous anxiety and who has actually successfully gotten off her medications and utilized CBD. And you know, I think this is this is really important because I’ve been seeing this more and more where patients don’t want to be on medications or antidepressants or anxiolytics. And they would love to have a natural alternative. And their psychiatrists are actually working with them to help them with this. So there’s a lot of research about CBD being helpful for withdrawal off of benzodiazepines and that sort of thing. So for somebody who’s looking for that, and would you recommend that they, of course, they’re going to talk to their provider about this, but I mean, as far as using the CBD in conjunction with the tapering off dosage of these medications, or just sort of waiting till it’s out of the system. I mean, I think there’s some benefit to aiding with the withdrawal symptoms as well.
Dr. Cade Copeland 38:02
We’ve got so much to learn about this. And I guess I’ll start that answer by saying we have a test for thyroid, and we have a test for vitamin D, and we’ve got a test for blood pressure. Right now we don’t have a test to know how well somebody’s endocannabinoid system is functioning, if they have too much if they have too little, or if they’re just right. And if we had that I think I’d be able to answer this question a lot more. Our suspect is that a lot of folks are deficient, their endocannabinoid system is not working up to par. So they’re more susceptible, again, because those receptors are littered everywhere, especially in the brain and the limbic system and the hypothalamus and the hippocampus in the basal ganglia, and all of those things are responsible for our mood, our sleep, our cortisol levels, our emotions. If those receptors aren’t functions best, those areas of our body, physiologically can’t function at their best. And so, again, once that test comes out, hopefully, soon we’ll be able to answer this better. But my understanding this adding in CBD is safe across, I shouldn’t say safe across the board, but it is generally considered safe to use in conjunction with other medications. Now, as always the exception to the rule, you work with your provider, please, please pretty please, especially if you’re on a list of different medications, things like blood pressure medications or statin medications are a big one to look into a little bit more. But when somebody is tapering off, especially if their body is adapted to using that medication, they have to heal from that medication. And they also have to adapt to the stress of the change, where CBD really comes in and helps during that tapering process is it helps their body more efficiently adapt to the new changes by helping their body balance that fight or flight and that resting, digesting and healing. And just that alone, just that alone is amazing. And there really isn’t too many things out there that’s as powerful as CBD in doing just that.
Farrar Duro 39:53
That’s awesome. And would you recommend gummies? Or is there a form of I mean, some people vape it, they do liquid? Or I mean, is there a superior form of administration? Or is it good to just start with a liquid?
Dr. Cade Copeland 40:07
I’m not a fan of gummies just because it’s another opportunity for us to add in a lot of colorings and a lot of preservatives and a lot of sugar, which again is going to create its own inflammatory and stressful you know issues. So all of our products, we use as pure ingredients as we possibly have available. And I’m proud to say and stand behind all of that stuff. So in our tinctures, we literally just use organic hemp extract, again, CBD or I’m sorry, and organic hemp seed oil. That’s the only two ingredients that are in our tinctures. So what’s great about that, it’s flexible, where we can get it into the bloodstream by using it underneath the tongue. Or if somebody has aches and pains that’s associated with whatever stress they’re going through, they can spot treat with that tincture topically and it’s still going to get into their bloodstream. Other things to do…vaping is, as long as you’re 100% confident that those ingredients are clean, the benefit to vaping is that it’s going to get into the system faster. So you know if you need something quick vaping is there. I believe tinctures takes somewhere between 40 minutes to two hours to get into the system. But it’ll stay a little bit longer than the vape. When we do an edible like a capsule or a gummy, it takes a little bit longer as well, longer than it takes a tincture, but it also stays in the system a lot longer to. It just depends what that person’s goals are and what they’re after.
Farrar Duro 41:29
Okay, great. So we’ve covered so much: anxiety to depression or to diabetes and insulin regulation and all kinds of stuff. So I think this is a great opportunity for our listeners to do some research on the website that you mentioned, have this discussion with their practitioners and definitely check out your site as well. And try to track your own heart rate variability, I think that would be something that would be beneficial even if you are getting acupuncture, or you’re doing meditation, how cool would that be actually see how your body’s responding to all these things? And if you are in that fight or flight mode, then you are going to have some issues, I think with getting pregnant, or also, could be anxiety down the road or inflammation and all kinds of things. So, this is kind of a nice little warning light. Like you’re checking your engine, you know. Really cool. So is there anything else you’d like to add for our listeners that you think would be helpful for them if they are going to be experimenting with CBD oil or anything like that?
Dr. Cade Copeland 42:33
Well, I think we said everything, you know, CBD isn’t the cure, manage those expectations going in, if you are going experiment with it, work with your provider. And, you know, just listen to your body going through that process. And I love talking with you. I think you’re awesome. And I love what you’re up to. And I hope that you continue to make a huge impact on everybody’s life. And this is a fun topic. We could have talked for a lot longer.
Farrar Duro 42:56
Thank you. I really enjoyed it, it’s something that I’ve been wanting to actually discuss on the show for a long time. So, thank you for coming on. And to all of our listeners, I hope that’s been really helpful for you. I know I’ve learned a whole lot this past hour. Feel free to comment on our Facebook page and also reach out to Dr. Cade, for any questions you might have about CBD. Alright, see you next time guys.
- Dr. Cade Copeland journey on using CBD on his medical practice (1:20)
- Uses of CBD on the medical field (2:40)
- CBD: Is It Safe to Use During Pregnancy and Breastfeeding? (3:43)
- What Is the Endocannabinoid System (4:42)
- Difference between THC and CBD (8:21)
- Benefits of Using CBD (14:03)
- A peek on Rooted Apothecary and their good quality products (15:26)
- At least 70% of the hemp products that are on the market do not have correct labels. Make sure that the company is third party testing or independently testing every single batch. (20:46)
- CBD is not the cure. Learn about the recommended CBD dosages (23:46)
- CBD Oil and Heart Rate Variability. You might want to check out the Oura Ring: The Most Accurate Sleep And Activity Tracker (30:20)
Resources Mentioned In This Episode:
- Know more about Dr. Cade Copeland and his Chiropractic practice at LIFEstrength Health Center.
- Buy Organic Full spectrum cannabinoid good CBD good quality products at Rooted Apothecary.
- Do you research. Learn more about CBD at GreenMedInfo.
- Track your Heart Rate Variability with Oura Ring: The Most Accurate Sleep And Activity Tracker
- The Sacred Plant 7-Part Docuseries – 17 Doctors, 12 Experts & 18 Survivors reveal how CBD can help you heal and be healthy.
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